Beyond the Checklist is the official podcast of the National Association for Accreditation Leadership (NAAL). Each episode takes you past the paperwork and policies to explore the real stories, challenges, and innovations shaping public safety. Focused on accreditation managers and assessors across all disciplines — law enforcement, corrections, fire, EMS, communications, and emergency management — the podcast highlights the professionals who do the behind-the-scenes work of protecting their agencies.

Through conversations with national experts, frontline practitioners, and accreditation leaders, we unpack how best practices, standards, and training translate into safer, stronger, and more resilient agencies. Whether you’re an accreditation manager, assessor, or public safety leader, Beyond the Checklist will equip you with insights, inspiration, and practical tools to move your agency beyond compliance and toward excellence.

Episode 1 - Michael Warren

Episode 2 - Areaka Jewell

Episode 3 - Deann MacLeod

Episode 4 - Dr. Lynn Odenthal, Ph.D.

Episode 5 - Nicole Ishmael-Livingston

Episode 6 - Thomas Breyer

Episode 7 - Dr. Gordon Abner, Ph.D.

Episode 8 - The HR Lady® Wendy Sellers

Episode 9 - Dr. Kimberly Miller, Ph.D.

Episode 10 - Sarah McEntee

Episode 11 - Neal Rossow & Stephanie Erb